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CEM Rider
10-13-2006, 01:02 AM
"The engine is the same exterior size as the Duratec 30, and should be usable in all vehicles currently using that engine and its derivatives." -Wikipedia

So does this mean that it will be able to be put in place of the duratec 3.0 and maybe see some duratec 35 csvt?

FYI 265 hp at launch when variable cam timing engaged over 300 hp
Jeb Hoge
10-13-2006, 04:14 PM
Only if you think you can convince the SVT's computer that it can do all the extra work that variable cam timing and so forth requires. The engine might fit...it might even let you bolt up a manual transmission, but there's so much involved outside of dropping it in.
CEM Rider
10-13-2006, 05:46 PM
Yeah I hear ya. I would love to see someone take up this project.
m4gician
10-14-2006, 06:16 PM
where are and how much are you going to spend on that engine? You have to find someone who crashes a Ford Edge first... lol
CEM Rider
10-15-2006, 01:29 AM
This is going to become a farily common ford engine as it will also be used in the ford five hundred.
m4gician
10-15-2006, 01:48 AM
Haha, this engine doesn't use Variable Exhaust Valve Timing ... imagine the possibilities....then ford screws it up...too bad this engine is 6 years too late :s.
beyondloadedSE
10-15-2006, 01:52 AM
This is going to become a farily common ford engine as it will also be used in the ford five hundred.

if you want the new duratec 35, your going to have to find a wrecked 2007 lincoln mkz or the ford edge. To my knowledge, its not going to be an option on the 500 yet.
m4gician
10-15-2006, 02:35 AM
ya im working on it, setting up the brick wall now... :s
procyon
10-15-2006, 11:52 PM
Haha, this engine doesn't use Variable Exhaust Valve Timing ... imagine the possibilities....then ford screws it up...too bad this engine is 6 years too late :s.They already have intake, it's not too hard to add exhaust and it's probably already been evaluated. I know for sure that they have designed in capability already for turbocharging, direct injection, and more displacement. 265hp out of 3.5L on regular unleaded is a big step up from the 3.0L and is very competitive with other manufacturers. It also meets California ULEV status.

They didn't screw it up. More variants will come out as production of the engine ramps up and vehicles that can use it come to market.
rkneeshaw
10-16-2006, 10:30 AM
So theoretically (until someone actually tries it), it would seem the only barrier is an electronic one: the PCM. Either need to teach the existing one how to do VVT or get one from a Fusion and strip out the ATX stuff and test to see if it will work with the other electronics in the car (NIGHTMARE!). Either way, I think either one is probably well above anyone's abilities short of an engineer at Ford.
m4gician
10-16-2006, 11:10 AM
no there are ALOT more barriers than you think, the 2.5 is already really tight, and it would be a 3.5L hybrid, it actually might not even fit really well...
Pale Horse
10-16-2006, 06:44 PM
So theoretically (until someone actually tries it), it would seem the only barrier is an electronic one: the PCM. Either need to teach the existing one how to do VVT or get one from a Fusion and strip out the ATX stuff and test to see if it will work with the other electronics in the car (NIGHTMARE!). Either way, I think either one is probably well above anyone's abilities short of an engineer at Ford.


The first thing to look at before even attempting is the mounts. If there is any way to economically adapt this engine to the subframe and factory contique mounts, then we may have a shot at it. I wouldn't be too worried about the VVT, as that's what they make stand alone engine management systems for. All you would need is a base map of the valve/ignition/fuel tables. (is that all?) It's been done before with anything V-TEC.

The biggest problem I would foresee would be the tranny issue. We won't know for sure until someone gets it apart and looks at it. That's my .02 cents.
Desiato
10-17-2006, 06:16 PM
no there are ALOT more barriers than you think, the 2.5 is already really tight, and it would be a 3.5L hybrid, it actually might not even fit really well...
Please share your insight with everyone else! What are the other barriers that the guy whom already has a 3.0L in his 96 SE is unaware of?

There's gotta be some hardcore CEGers with the ability and motivation to do something like this still around.
my98SVTturbo
10-17-2006, 06:25 PM
the 35 is supose to be in the Fusion/millan and 500/montego in 08`
beyondloadedSE
10-17-2006, 06:35 PM
the 35 is supose to be in the Fusion/millan and 500/montego in 08`

I wonder if Ford will ever raise the displacement to a 4.0L. :ponder: Thats what im waiting for.
rkneeshaw
10-18-2006, 11:35 AM
Please share your insight with everyone else! What are the other barriers that the guy whom already has a 3.0L in his 96 SE is unaware of?

Just a note: I'm making the assumption the 3.5 block is nearly the same on the outside as the 3.0 block. After thinking about it, just becuase they're the same "size" doesnt' mean all the mounts are all in the same exact spots. Just something to consider.
Rara
10-18-2006, 12:29 PM
the crankshaft line is not in the same spot either, which means there are currently no manual transmissions that will work with it in the Contour package space.

I'm not saying its impossible to do, but right now, its extremely expensive and difficult to even consider.
Tourige
10-18-2006, 07:12 PM
here is a question, Why? People still havent seen the limits of the 3L yet, only the limits of the contours ability to put the power down.

Dropping the 35 would be pointless other than to say you can do it.

Money would be better spent on getting Slicks and axles made etc.
CEM Rider
10-23-2006, 05:52 PM
Yes you do have a point... I just ran across this and it said could be used as an upgrade to exisitng duratec 3L...Just wondering if the contour platfrom was a viable option apperntally not.
procyon
11-02-2006, 06:02 PM
I wonder if Ford will ever raise the displacement to a 4.0L. :ponder: Thats what im waiting for. A 3.7L version is coming out soon in a few vehicles.
CSVT#49
11-04-2006, 12:10 AM
here is a question, Why? People still havent seen the limits of the 3L yet, only the limits of the contours ability to put the power down.

Dropping the 35 would be pointless other than to say you can do it.

Money would be better spent on getting Slicks and axles made etc.

+1

There is more potential in the 3L's but no one has be able to put it all to the ground. I think time and money needs to be invested in the rest of the drivetrain before anyone really thinks about putting a larger motor in. The power it would make would never make it to the ground

I'd like to see someone with the time and money put in an all wheel drive system from a Jaguar or a Mondeo.