Supercharged Contour

[Joey Contour]

I've heard allot of talk about 1/4 mile times for Turbo and all motor cars. I was wondering what kind of times are supercharged contours putting up? (Yes, I searched)

[TRicker]

Buckshot would be the guy to ask about that. he's probably run at the track the most with a supercharger. most of the guys with the old vortech kit are still trying to get the shaft to stay together ;)

[beyondloadedSE]

Best pass to my knowledge is a 14.1 which was probably about 5+ years ago made my phatsvt.

[Tourige]

14.1, thats it?

Just throw on a 75 shot and be faster.

[beyondloadedSE]

14.1, thats it?

Just throw on a 75 shot and be faster.

Well, when 3.0Ls are making just as much tq as a vortech 2.5L, that probably explains most of it. Needs more power under the curve.

[Tourige]

Well, when 3.0Ls are making just as much tq as a vortech 2.5L, that probably explains most of it. Needs more power under the curve.

No joke, im just suprised.

[Redlineracer12]

It'd be interesting to see blackcoog's new setup make a pass :cool:

325whp should do better than 14.1 :laugh:

[Y2KSVT]

It'd be interesting to see blackcoog's new setup make a pass :cool:

325whp should do better than 14.1 :laugh:

One would assume that. Now, Rich(Buckshot77) openly admits he's no 1/4 mile guru, but I believe he was running mid to high 14's with his S/C'd SVT. He was making similar power IIRC.

Mark

[elraido]

One would assume that. Now, Rich(Buckshot77) openly admits he's no 1/4 mile guru, but I believe he was running mid to high 14's with his S/C'd SVT. He was making similar power IIRC.

Mark

With a good driver didn't they get stock svt's into the high 14's?

[Redlineracer12]

With a good driver didn't they get stock svt's into the high 14's?

It has been done before, but its pretty rare.

[Chris@CTA]

Having owned a supercharged SVT Contour for some 5 years now (second to last generation jackshaft still intact), I can say that my SVT is not a 1/4 mile car and would lose to even my 2002 Grand Prix GTP. As already noted, power under the curve, and especially torque under the curve is lacking.

I have already had some impromptu runs with my SRT-4 buddies, and they surely take off from a dead stop, but coming through 2nd, into third and beyond is a totally different story (compared to stock turbo SRT-4's, mods or no mods). My SVT pulls like a dickens once your going, and pulls harder and harder as the speed increases. In other words, hate to say it, but it's like a VTEC Honda, all mid to top end power. My SVT is capable of topping out 5th gear. I will admit, that I have buried the speedo in mine and beyond, granted the SVT speedo's are off by 10mph high at over 150mph.

I have been asked by many of my Ford buddies to take the SVT to the 1/4 mile track. I have to disappoint them because I always tell them NO, it's not a 1/4 mile car. It's an Autobahn car. Now, take the car to Germany or any highway with near unlimited speed limits, and that's where my SVT would shine. :D

[Joey Contour]

Wow thanks for all the insight everyone, especially Chris. I would have thought the a supercharged contour would pull allot better in lower gears but I get what your saying Chris.

[svt4stv]

anyone know where the updated jackshaft can be obtained? my buddy is rebuilding a Vortech'd csvt right now and that's pretty much all it needs.

[Chris@CTA]

anyone know where the updated jackshaft can be obtained? my buddy is rebuilding a Vortech'd csvt right now and that's pretty much all it needs.

You can send it back to Vortech, apparently. I had called them in the past, and since I still have the Vortech certificate, they would then have fixed it/updated it under warranty (since they had so many failures). I would have been responsible the removal of the entire supercharger jackshaft assembly and supercharger, and of course, for the cost of shipping there and back to me.

I'm not sure if they would do it for free now.

[Chris@CTA]

Wow thanks for all the insight everyone, especially Chris. I would have thought the a supercharged contour would pull allot better in lower gears but I get what your saying Chris.

I wish it had more low end, but I am guessing that because they used such a small supercharger (for packaging reasons), it doesn't move enough air at low rpms to produce "Mustang" like low end power. The other thing is the boost level, 9.5psi max on my boost gauge, lower now with the aftercooler (Buckshot) at some 7.5 to 8psi. Vortech most likely kept the boost under 10psi as not to blow up the Duratecs. :shocked: (or because of their computer chip tunes at the time).

Frankly, I would think that because there is a blow off/bypass valve in the set up, we could run smaller pullies (but not to overdrive the supercharger past its efficiency) to bring on the boost sooner and use a boost controller to limit the maximum boost to a safe level.

Even though I don't drive my SVT much, it's still fun to play with. Another thought. I could get an adjustable Turbosmart Bypass valve with built in adjustable boost level and try that. :laugh: The Vortech kits use the same basicBosch bypass valve as with VW 1.8T's. ;)

[svt4stv]

You can send it back to Vortech, apparently. I had called them in the past, and since I still have the Vortech certificate, they would then have fixed it/updated it under warranty (since they had so many failures). I would have been responsible the removal of the entire supercharger jackshaft assembly and supercharger, and of course, for the cost of shipping there and back to me.

I'm not sure if they would do it for free now.

my buddy said he called them and they said they want absolutely nothing to do with the contours any more.

[beyondloadedSE]

my buddy said he called them and they said they want absolutely nothing to do with the contours any more.

Wow. Nice. Good to see they stand behind their products. :mad:

[svt4stv]

Wow. Nice. Good to see they stand behind their products. :mad:

yep. he said they flat out wouldnt even answer any of his questions he had. he's trying to re-build the motor (with a Vortec) for a local CEGer and they were completely unhelpful :nonono:

[TRicker]

that's sad. time to turn to independent machine shops then. or save some dough and call up blackcoog, he's got complete kits ready to ship out (last i talked to him)

[elraido]

call up blackcoog, he's got complete kits ready to ship out (last i talked to him)

X2.......................

[Chris@CTA]

Someone on the boards or used to be on the boards would take the jackshafts and do the modifications, better than Vortech. I should have done this years ago, but I don't drive the SVT much now so I am hoping it will last for the next 100 years. :D

[TRicker]

sell it to me ;)

[Chris@CTA]

sell it to me ;)

The SC or the whole car? :laugh:

Honestly, if someone came up to me with a briefcase of cash, with the right amount in it, I would not hesitate to sell the SVT or my SRT-4 for that matter. I really like my cars, but at the same time, money talks. :rolleyes:

[TRicker]

the SC. i dont have enough money to buy your contour haha

[Chris@CTA]

the SC. i dont have enough money to buy your contour haha

Heh, well if the SC was uninstalled, then I would have a good reason to turbocharge the SVT. :D

[Redlineracer12]

Heh, well if the SC was uninstalled, then I would have a good reason to turbocharge the SVT. :D

And if he had the SC setup I'd have a good reason to turbocharge my SVT as well :p Can't be beat by TRicker....

[elraido]

And if he had the SC setup I'd have a good reason to turbocharge my SVT as well :p Can't be beat by TRicker....

I wonder if my cabnets would make my car go faster.....

[Blackcoog]

I wish it had more low end, but I am guessing that because they used such a small supercharger (for packaging reasons), it doesn't move enough air at low rpms to produce "Mustang" like low end power. The other thing is the boost level, 9.5psi max on my boost gauge, lower now with the aftercooler (Buckshot) at some 7.5 to 8psi. Vortech most likely kept the boost under 10psi as not to blow up the Duratecs. :shocked: (or because of their computer chip tunes at the time).

Frankly, I would think that because there is a blow off/bypass valve in the set up, we could run smaller pullies (but not to overdrive the supercharger past its efficiency) to bring on the boost sooner and use a boost controller to limit the maximum boost to a safe level.

Even though I don't drive my SVT much, it's still fun to play with. Another thought. I could get an adjustable Turbosmart Bypass valve with built in adjustable boost level and try that. :laugh: The Vortech kits use the same basicBosch bypass valve as with VW 1.8T's. ;)

FYI the V9 is not a small supercharger. They use that same supercharger head unit on the Camero kits. It flows much more than will ever be needed on the Cougar. For more low end get a 3L installed. :)

[Chris@CTA]

I tell you, I really wish all this stuff was out when I first did the SVT. I surely would do it all over again but all the better stuff available now. :shrug:

[Swazo]

Someone on the boards or used to be on the boards would take the jackshafts and do the modifications, better than Vortech. I should have done this years ago, but I don't drive the SVT much now so I am hoping it will last for the next 100 years. :D

knukoncepts or whoever?

[Buckshot77]

There's definitely a lot more potential to the vortech kit than most people have tapped. Honestly, I don't see why a SC'd SVT couldn't break 400 WHP with a 3L and supporting mods. I'm still playing around with mine and will definitely continue shooting for that goal. Considering I've all ready dynoed (accurately) over 350, I don't think it's out of the running. I guess we'll hope to see come SZ 08.

In regards to 1/4 mile, everyone is spot on regarding the SC on a 2.5. It is a different beast with mods and a 3L for sure, but still not torquey by any means. The turbo will get you down the 1/4 a lot faster, but I'd go for the SC on a highway or open track any day. The trick is usable horsepower. I seem to remember Stazi consistently spinning his wheels through the slower sections of the auto-x at SZ 05, yet I consistently beat him by over a second.

Rick

[elraido]

In regards to 1/4 mile, everyone is spot on regarding the SC on a 2.5. It is a different beast with mods and a 3L for sure, but still not torquey by any means. The turbo will get you down the 1/4 a lot faster, but I'd go for the SC on a highway or open track any day. The trick is usable horsepower. I seem to remember Stazi consistently spinning his wheels through the slower sections of the auto-x at SZ 05, yet I consistently beat him by over a second.

Rick


honestly that is why if I ever go FI with my car, I would want a supercharger. I want to be able to get traction in the lower end.

[Ray]

not to hijack, but the main "pro" of a super charger is always argued as "useable" power (ie. traction at lower end)..

I can FIX traction issues (well. not ME.. I'm not rich.. but it can be fixed).. can a supercharger be "fixed" to have the powerband a Turbo gives? If traction problems are negated, then what?

/threadjack

sorry!

[elraido]

If traction problems are negated, then what?

/threadjack

sorry!

Then you are faster :laugh:

[Buckshot77]

not to hijack, but the main "pro" of a super charger is always argued as "useable" power (ie. traction at lower end)..

I can FIX traction issues (well. not ME.. I'm not rich.. but it can be fixed).. can a supercharger be "fixed" to have the powerband a Turbo gives? If traction problems are negated, then what?

/threadjack

sorry!

Ray, it's a moot point. The cost of fixing traction far outweighs the benefit on this platform. For arguments sake only, all things being equal, there are still two different power applications being talked about here. Both achieve a certain goal. The turbo is great for short fat power bands that get you moving quickly, but the supercharger has a feel of constant linear acceleration that increases with the RPM's.

While I love being hammered back into the seat as much as the next guy by raw torque, I still prefer the feeling of slowly being pressed harder and harder into my seat like a jet taking off.

Rick

[rcksvtcontour]

I would love to supercharge my SVT Contour!!!

[warmonger]

Ray, it's a moot point. The cost of fixing traction far outweighs the benefit on this platform. For arguments sake only, all things being equal, there are still two different power applications being talked about here. Both achieve a certain goal. The turbo is great for short fat power bands that get you moving quickly, but the supercharger has a feel of constant linear acceleration that increases with the RPM's.

While I love being hammered back into the seat as much as the next guy by raw torque, I still prefer the feeling of slowly being pressed harder and harder into my seat like a jet taking off.

Rick

Rick, It is really only a matter of about a $400-$500 boost controller, quite cheap when you think of it.
It can be programmed to give lower boost in lower gears and rpm, then progressively increase the boost as rpm and gear increase. Effectively making it like the supercharger in 1st, 2nd gear but like a turbo in 3rd+ gears. :laugh:

[Chris@CTA]

Rick, It is really only a matter of about a $400-$500 boost controller, quite cheap when you think of it.
It can be programmed to give lower boost in lower gears and rpm, then progressively increase the boost as rpm and gear increase. Effectively making it like the supercharger in 1st, 2nd gear but like a turbo in 3rd+ gears. :laugh:

That is what I did in my SRT-4, Turbosmart Eboost 2, staged boosting. I like the way both feel, supercharger for highway runs (SVT), turbo for stoplight to stoplight runs (SRT-4)