Lightly Modded Probe Gt vs. Stock SVT

[mattsBLK99cSVT]

My friend talked to some random dude and the dude says his probe was way faster than his contour svt. He said he ran a 14.7 in the probe with just an intake and exhaust. And he ran a 15.7 in his stock svt. I believe svt's will whoop probes all day and svt focus's

[AliasJerk]

My friend talked to some random dude and the dude says his probe was way faster than his contour svt. He said he ran a 14.7 in the probe with just an intake and exhaust. And he ran a 15.7 in his stock svt. I believe svt's will whoop probes all day and svt focus's

*sigh*

Headers and an intake do make sizable differences on the Mazda 2.5L plus the Probe GT has a better power to weight ratio. a 14.7 in a probe is a possible number. But really, right from the factory they were running 15.7's It would take more than an intake and an exhaust to shave a full second off a 1/4 mile, he would have to gain 30-40 more horses at the wheels just from those mods, which isnt possible.

As for Focus SVT compared to Contour SVT, yes a stock contour SVT would walk all over a contour SVT on the drag strip... However, if we are talking about a circut, I would put my money on the focus SVT

...Further more, who cares? the contour SVT was designed to excel in cornering, not straight lines, it was the same with the focus SVT.

[codypka]

ok i've driven the focus svt (my roomate has one), and there is no way that car would beat ours on a road circuit. The svt focus' dotn handle well at all. My roomates SVt Focus had exhaust, intake, and chip, and i still pull on him

SVTC > SVTF

[rouar]

..Further more, who cares? the contour SVT was designed to excel in cornering, not straight lines, it was the same with the focus SVT.
Dunno about you, but my '95 PGT was the best handling car I've ever owned. Can't say the SVT would beat it in autocross either.

As for PGT vs SVT speed, I'd put my bets on the better driver more than the better car.

[AliasJerk]

Dunno about you, but my '95 PGT was the best handling car I've ever owned. Can't say the SVT would beat it in autocross either.

As for PGT vs SVT speed, I'd put my bets on the better driver more than the better car.

I never said the PGT was a bad handling car, its on the same terms as the contour SVT or focus SVT in handling, it was designed to be a sports coupe, if it doesnt handle well, I would be concerned.

[codypka]

I never said the PGT was a bad handling car, its on the same terms as the contour SVT or focus SVT in handling, it was designed to be a sports coupe, if it doesnt handle well, I would be concerned.


i wasnt comparing the PGT to the CSVT, cause i've only ridden in one for a few minutes, i was saying the CSVT > FSVT in the twisties and straigtht line

[HolyRollerzC3]

i wasnt comparing the PGT to the CSVT, cause i've only ridden in one for a few minutes, i was saying the CSVT > FSVT in the twisties and straigtht line

there is no way a SVTC will outcorner the SVTF. I have driven a bone stock svt, and a bone stock zx3 focus, and hate to say that the focus would spank the svtc in the corners! If it had more power to keep up on the straights, it would be a far better road course car!

As far as the probe gt, i had a buddy who had one when I was in high school, and for its day, it was an awesome little car, but by todays standards, it would get owned. And I know the SVTC will own it all day long! Heck, even the SVTF would own it!

[Dr. Cross]

I've owned both cars. I actually owned 2 Probe GT's, an '89 w/ 2.2L turbo and a '96 w/ 2.5L. In terms of quickness, I would say '89 PGT>CSVT>'96 PGT. I wish I never got rid of my '89:blackeye:

[kscontourkid]

boys i have autocrossed against both old body turbo PGT and new body PGT as well as 3dr focus and i spanked them all with an SE. ive raced new PGTs and never had a problem destroying them. again im driving an SE v6 ya i have a 5-speed which helps but ive not found a probe that has proved a threat to me. now the new focus SVT around corners has given me a little trouble but nothing an CSVT couldnt spank.

[HolyRollerzC3]

boys i have autocrossed against both old body turbo PGT and new body PGT as well as 3dr focus and i spanked them all with an SE. ive raced new PGTs and never had a problem destroying them. again im driving an SE v6 ya i have a 5-speed which helps but ive not found a probe that has proved a threat to me. now the new focus SVT around corners has given me a little trouble but nothing an CSVT couldnt spank.

must be the drivers then! I'd glady step into a svtf and show you what it can do better then the CSVT!

[Ronan]

must be the drivers then! I'd glady step into a svtf and show you what it can do better then the CSVT!

I have to agree, a good friend of mine bought a focus sport over here, & he was shocked how well it handled. His Mondy was lowered & on Konis with a bat bar etc. He reckoned that the focus was far more nimbler. Having driven various /foci, I'd have to agree, they are much better balanced with no heavy v6 lump out front & can be made 4 wheel drift beautifully with a touch of oversteer. I think drivers and different tyres will result in different opinions but thats been my experience of both cars.

[RawBurt]

Who cares, the probe is gay.

[PurpleMystique]

Your gay.

[RawBurt]

Im sorry you feel that way.

[deesea]

Your gay.

at least spell it right :crazy:

[Big Jim]

I have to agree, a good friend of mine bought a focus sport over here, & he was shocked how well it handled. His Mondy was lowered & on Konis with a bat bar etc. He reckoned that the focus was far more nimbler. Having driven various /foci, I'd have to agree, they are much better balanced with no heavy v6 lump out front & can be made 4 wheel drift beautifully with a touch of oversteer. I think drivers and different tyres will result in different opinions but thats been my experience of both cars.

Your Focus is very different than our Focus. Your Focus uses the same platform as the Volvo S40.

The US did get another version of that platform though, in the Mazda 3.

Back to the original question. In stock form the Contour SVT had a slight edge over the Probe V6. If the Probe is lightly modified it would come down to a driver's race. Now the earlier 4 cylinder Probe GT with a factory turbo, that's another question. The original Probe GT was faster than it's better looking V6 replacement. I think the Contour SVT would have a hard time against it.

[csvt2200]

I had a 93 Probe GT back in high school. It was alright, more of a Ricer Domestic like the SVTF... Anyway's I'd take my CSVT over a Pube GT. :laugh:

[pgt]

I've owned an 89 probe gt and a 94 probe gt. My brother has a 98 svt and I've driven one other CSVT. In terms of speed I'd say 1st gen pgt > CSVT > 2nd gen pgt. But in handling I'd say CSVT > 2nd gen PGT > 1st gen PGT.
But I have no idea how a modded probe would do since I've never done that.

[AliasJerk]

I've owned an 89 probe gt and a 94 probe gt. My brother has a 98 svt and I've driven one other CSVT. In terms of speed I'd say 1st gen pgt > CSVT > 2nd gen pgt. But in handling I'd say CSVT > 2nd gen PGT > 1st gen PGT.
But I have no idea how a modded probe would do since I've never done that.

I remember reading a while back that sport compact car had a project 97 PGT that they wanted to see what they could get out of the motor out of basic bolt ons, and they were really disappointed in the results. They did a cat back exhaust, MSDS headers, AEM cold air intake, MSD ignition system and only put down an additional like 10 horsepower to the wheels.

needless to say they scrapped the project.

[deesea]

They should have done a CSVT project :drool:

[dairdevyld]

I've owned both cars. I actually owned 2 Probe GT's, an '89 w/ 2.2L turbo and a '96 w/ 2.5L. In terms of quickness, I would say '89 PGT>CSVT>'96 PGT. I wish I never got rid of my '89:blackeye:

I've owned all of those cars too and I completely agree. I actually owned my 89 at the same time I owned my CSVT. It would destroy the CSVT in a straight line. However, my CSVT is the best handling car I've ever owned.

[matt351]

a good friend of mine has a '95 probe gt with a 5 speed and he cracks out pretty constant 14.90's at IRP.

[Joey]

I've run against may Probes at the track with my SVT...most were running mid to high 15's and I was easily taking them. I had run a consistant 14.9 that day and was not beaten in any of my runs, however, there was one that did pull better times.

Since it was years ago, I can't recall what he had or what he ran...I just know he was giving me hell for getting a better time. :(

[allstyle12]

Those 1st gen 89 GT turbos are no joke. They have plenty of tourque! 195 ftbls stock! I got raped by one when I first purchased my CSVT. The guy had modded it lightly and it pulled alot harder than I thought it would.

[elraido]

Who would have thought such an ugly car can be so quick LOL. Underdog factor all the way with those it would seem.

[nixsvt]

I have an 89 Probe GT. Before the turbo went south it was a pretty quick car for a 4 banger. It handled pretty well too, but I don't think that it handles as well as my CSVT. Now if I want to go fast through the twisties or straight on I just take the T/A out for a drive.

[PurpleMystique]

at least spell it right :crazy:

That was part of the joke. :shrug:

[MAZDASPEED]

I had a 93PGT with the secondaries pinned open, intake, headers, exhaust and high flow cat and I got beat on a highway by a stock appearing CSVT. My PGT was faster than any of the PGTs I ca,e across in my area. A year later traded the PGT for a CSVT and the CSVT felt faster.

[Tourige]

Who cares, the probe is gay.

So is drag racing a Contour.:shrug:

[98TredSVT]

so is a purple mustang

[RawBurt]

So is tourige, but why state the obvious? lol

[SurrealSVT]

To beat a dead horse. I've owned several second gen PGT's (in fact, I still own my show car), and I now own my CSVT. I definetly would put my PGT against my CSVT anyday. They both seem comperable, but my PGT pulls alot harder throughout the entire RPM range. And handeling, I would put my PGT against my CSVT again. Not that my CSVT is bad in anyway, its just slightly worse than my PGT.

Mike

[Tourige]

so is a purple mustang

I guess it's a good thing i don't drive a purple mustang.

[95pgt-t]

i'd say slightly modded pgt would beat a csvt. i've owned both(actually 8 pgts,3mx6's,1 626, four of the car's were turbo'd) my 197k 93pgt w/just 100 dollar ebay headers and 20 ebay intake and a borla catback ran 14.9. my 89 mx6 gt turbo stock ran 15.1,15 dollar boost controller,open downpipe and 15 psi on the stock peashooter it ran 13.9(it was guted too)
however,the csvt in terms of overall performance,fit/finish(if those two words even belong in the same sentence w/contour) is a better car. hard to believe the pgt won car of the year in 93. i however prefer the mx6

[green SVT]

OVERALL... And I think many would agree, as stated many times on this site, CSVT was not built to be a 1/4 car. Not saying a pgt is, however with 4 doors, full leather, etc, it is obvious which car is meant to be more style with some performance, than more performance, less style such as a pgt. I've owned both (96pgt) and if your research probetalk.com you'll find numerous problems with the KL03 motor. I replaced my motor twice before saying screw it and selling the car for a couple K. Head gaskets, heat soak, horrible ATX's, faulty VRIS (sp) systems, the list goes on, however in comparision there is little that the 2.5 duratec is bad for. So yeah a pgt would be great race for a CSVT, but which would you rather have sittin in your garage :idea: :D

Oh yeah and my ATX 96pgt with full exhaust, intake, tb, ported uim, and the IAT mod only ran 16's in the quarter. That should tell you right there how slow those ATX pgt's are :D

[muhafuha]

first, there is NO WAY a slightly modded 2nd gen pgt will run a 14.7.. thats not possible. i would say anywhere between 15.1 - 15.7, which in my experiences is plenty good enough to beat a csvt.

i currently own and drive both cars regulary.. a stock pgt will beat a stock csvt everytime if driven the same.. i honestly never had a problem with svts in the 1/4 mile mod for mod.. even less moded than a csvt

as far as suspension and handling i personally think the csvt handles liek absolute crap. I actually just put koni's and hr springs on hoping it would make a difference, but the fact is it weighs too much to handle remotely good, those that say its a handling car have never driven anything else.

i have eibachs and tokicos on the probe and it handles great.

but like the last post said, i would rather have a csvt in my garage, ive found them mechanically better, more dependable, more comfortable, and better looking actually :-)

[allstyle12]

Really?! Wow!

[Redlineracer12]

This is an old thread, but I'm gonna post anyhow :)

I test drove a probe gt before I bought my previous 4 cylinder probe... It was slow as dirt! I don't know what was wrong with it but the guy had "just replaced the timing belt" and he didn't seem like he knew what he was even talking about :help: Lets just say my 4 cylinder probes have all been faster :laugh:

I don't see a lightly modded PGT beating a SVT for sure but maybe thats just me..

[mattsBLK99cSVT]

i hate probes the only one thats decent is the gts with the mazda mx6 motor, but other than that they are just anal probes

[PurpleMystique]

Wow. You're an idiot.

The GTS was an appearance package designed to boost declining sales in '97. All '93 to '97 Probe GTs had the "mx6 motor."

[Project SVT]

ok well i own both of the cars. while i have a klze in my pgt now. (200hp) they are about equal. It would be a drivers race honestly.

like the svtc alot of people don't give a pgt there credit.

[Project SVT]

i hate probes the only one thats decent is the gts with the mazda mx6 motor, but other than that they are just anal probes


yea like the other guy said. pretty much the motor,transmission and all suspension components are mazda made. Ford designed the exterior and interior of the car.

[mattsBLK99cSVT]

Wow. You're an idiot.

The GTS was an appearance package designed to boost declining sales in '97. All '93 to '97 Probe GTs had the "mx6 motor."
wow your the idiot gts have 200hp

[rouar]

wow your the idiot gts have 200hp
LOL! :laugh:

from Wikipedia..
"In 1997 (the Probe's last year) a GTS model was offered. It had no more performance than the regular GT, but exterior modifications were distinct."

[Project SVT]

wow your the idiot gts have 200hp


wow talk about idiot.

There was no ford probe gt, that came with 200hp factory. The KLZE motor which is from a JDM MX-6 has 200hp...(197hp iirc) and it drops right in.

Since you have no idea about what your talking about you should just stop now. GTS was an appearance package. Chrome rims, strips,etc.

I love how ignorant people talk about cars they have no idea about. And try and pretend they know about cars.

seriously you should just stop, and stick to cars you own.



Hey mods, do you just wanna close this thread?

[The Five-Oh!]

oh the joys of internet racing...

[Ray]

Hey mods, do you just wanna close this thread?


Mmm.. no...

no, not really.. no.

[The Five-Oh!]

Mmm.. no...

no, not really.. no.

smartest post by ray evAr! :laugh:

[PurpleMystique]

wow your the idiot gts have 200hp

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/moran-7512.jpg

[mattsBLK99cSVT]

all you guys who talked crap i just wanted to say your moms are in the two girls one cup video

[RawBurt]

Who cares, the probe is gay.

Still true.

[MxRacer]

all you guys who talked crap i just wanted to say your moms are in the two girls one cup video


post of the year, right there. :help:

[CustomX157]

post of the year, right there. :help:

There needs to be a thread alone on reactions to that video. Probably the foulest thing, next to pain olympics.

[hotdimmes]

There needs to be a thread alone on reactions to that video. Probably the foulest thing, next to pain olympics.

I thought the reactions were a bit much. Yeah it was gross, but i didn't feel like puking while watching it. Not even close. :shrug:

[MxRacer]

I thought the reactions were a bit much. Yeah it was gross, but i didn't feel like puking while watching it. Not even close. :shrug:


me neither. i did have a sudden craving for some chocolate soft-serve though. :shrug:

[elraido]

me neither. i did have a sudden craving for some chocolate soft-serve though. :shrug:

you too huh?

[95pgt-t]

Still true.
nothings changed i see:nonono:

[RawBurt]

LOL...

[99 red SVT]

I thought the reactions were a bit much. Yeah it was gross, but i didn't feel like puking while watching it. Not even close. :shrug:

I swear I smelled poo when I was watching it...:shrug:

[Lt_hailBob]

I think the Contour would win. I've beaten modded probe GT's in My Mini Cooper S pretty badly.

[95pgt-t]

little late to the party? your mini also has more whp and less wieght. bad comparison

[Lt_hailBob]

The 03 Mini, which mine is, has 1 less hp. Italso has 5 more torque. The point is that my Mini is faster compared to the Probe GT than it is compared to my CSVT so I think the CSVT would win.

[95pgt-t]

well i politely disagree. having owned several of both..all modded. i'd say stock for stock its a drivers race...possibly slight edge to the svt. bolt ons..no motor swaps..i'd have to give it to the pgt.:shrug: