3.0L Duratec TT dynos

[gotapex]

http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=2143

640 hp and 554 lb/ft torque to the wheels, with slippage

Tuned for torque, 529 hp and 573 lb/ft of torque to the wheels.

[shizapooh]

wow needs vids!

[todras]

Great googly moogly!!!

[Rara]

hehe, a friend of mine tuned that car for those dyno runs, I actually saw those curves a week or two ago. I've been trying to talk him into doing some tuning for some local SEMI guys too. So far he's only agreed to my car and one other person's . . .

[Pudmunkie]

You and that person are a lucky dog! :laugh::cool:

[beyondloadedSE]

HECK YES! Awesome numbers. I just hope the mtx holds up with that kind of power. Btw, did anything ever come of Quaife making a gearset for you guys? I know Terry Haines was trying to get the ball rolling on that.

[gotapex]

No, unfortunately Quaife wanted too many made.

I purchased a second built tranny from the UK. Terry's still working on mods on my original one. Everyone needs spares, eh? :D

[Y2KSVT]

hehe, a friend of mine tuned that car for those dyno runs, I actually saw those curves a week or two ago. I've been trying to talk him into doing some tuning for some local SEMI guys too. So far he's only agreed to my car and one other person's . . .

Your car? Is he still going to be tuning in 2013 when you have it done? :laugh:

Mark

[Steeda...]

Your car? Is he still going to be tuning in 2013 when you have it done? :laugh:

Mark

Ohh sick burn!!!!!!

[MxRacer]

Your car? Is he still going to be tuning in 2013 when you have it done? :laugh:

Mark


lmao. that's why he agreed to it... :laugh:

[Rara]

Your car? Is he still going to be tuning in 2013 when you have it done? :laugh:

Mark

August 16, 2047 is my appointment, he figured he'd have time to work on it after nursing home bingo, but before the tapioca pudding gets served for dessert.

[gotapex]

hehe, a friend of mine tuned that car for those dyno runs, I actually saw those curves a week or two ago. I've been trying to talk him into doing some tuning for some local SEMI guys too. So far he's only agreed to my car and one other person's . . .


You know Seth?

[The Five-Oh!]

Wow, that's some power, we need some of that in a contour, STAT!

[bensenvill]

apex,
great to see updates, those are some mighty impressive numbers!

Last time I saw you post, you were asking if the cougar fuel rail would hold 650hp... so are those numbers still using the stock rail?

[MapOfTaziFoSho]

Wow, that's some power, we need some of that in a contour, STAT!

Why so it could snap axles that much faster?! :blackeye:

[MxRacer]

apex,
great to see updates, those are some mighty impressive numbers!

Last time I saw you post, you were asking if the cougar fuel rail would hold 650hp... so are those numbers still using the stock rail?


thats not his car.... ;)

[gotapex]

thats not his car.... ;)


Yep, not my car. I'm going a different route, though same turbos (GT28RS).

[Y2KSVT]

August 16, 2047 is my appointment, he figured he'd have time to work on it after nursing home bingo, but before the tapioca pudding gets served for dessert.

LOL!!! And if he leaves a skid mark on your driver's seat, it's not because of the HP numbers the car is making, but because he can no longer control his bowel movements. :laugh:

Mark

[Loco4G63]

Amazing numbers!:cool:

[The Five-Oh!]

Why so it could snap axles that much faster?! :blackeye:

Heck yes!!!

[Rara]

You know Seth?

No, the Ford guy that came down to help out. I wasn't there, so I don't know how much he actually did, he just said he went down to help out. He does a ton of the 3.0L Duratec dyno testing for Ford internally.

[warmonger]

I like the way that guy went and ran it in 4th 5th and 6th gears! lol Shut up all the naysayers real quick I guess.

Now that noble engine has what compression ratio? Forged rods and pistons right?
I forget already. I love the way the AF ratio is right about 11-12 if not a full 12:1

[Buckshot77]

8.5:1 compression forged pistons and rods.

Rick

[Kremithefrog]

How do I find out when Derek will be dynoing it again or racing it and if I can go watch? :)

[gotapex]

No, the Ford guy that came down to help out. I wasn't there, so I don't know how much he actually did, he just said he went down to help out. He does a ton of the 3.0L Duratec dyno testing for Ford internally.


Ah ok. Actually, it was Troy, not Seth (my bad... I'm getting old). It's cool your guy went down to help. There needs to be more working together among people who know these engines.

[stealthy3L]

I want a noble motor in my cougar now :)

[The Five-Oh!]

I want a noble motor in my cougar now :)

technically you already have one. :laugh:

[stealthy3L]

haha, actually, its true.

I just want oil squirters behind my pistons, forged internals, turbo, and 8.5:1 comp :crazy:

[Hightower GT]

Drop that into a Contour and it still wouldn't break into the 12's.

[Redlineracer12]

Drop that into a Contour and it still wouldn't break into the 12's.

Maybe break CV's instead ;)

[TRicker]

so when is someone just gonna cut up a contour and force two turbos into it? lol

[primalzer1998]

What are the details on the motor and the block in general? Is that a stock block 3.0 with forged internals? If so, man that is one stout block. I know that you could never put that much power through the drivetrain of a contour without massive amounts of $$$$$.

-Jon

[SoopaCooga]

haha, actually, its true.

I just want oil squirters behind my pistons, forged internals, turbo, and 8.5:1 comp :crazy:

... and rear-wheel drive!

[DemonSVT]

Drop that into a Contour and it still wouldn't break into the 12's.
Hahahah... Best post in the thread. :blackeye:

Followed by the first. Awesome numbers from the Duratec.

[TRicker]

i'd bet demon could get well into the 12's with a 50 shot or 75 shot, better yet a turbo kit .... :)

[beyondloadedSE]

Maybe break CV's instead ;)

It would just smoke the tires. You gotta be able to put that power to the ground first. ;)

[Kremithefrog]

So I hear derek blew his engine. Something about not turning on some fans to the oil cooler or something.

[akrump47]

http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=2143

640 hp and 554 lb/ft torque to the wheels, with slippage

Tuned for torque, 529 hp and 573 lb/ft of torque to the wheels.

This post makes me wish someone with some money would convert a contour to RWD or AWD already. I hate our drivetrain!!

[TGO]

What are the details on the motor and the block in general? Is that a stock block 3.0 with forged internals? If so, man that is one stout block. I know that you could never put that much power through the drivetrain of a contour without massive amounts of $$$$$.

-Jon


i too would liek to know how you've managed to make all this power without an explosion of engine guts all over the place, like so many other CEG'ers have done. Seems like it would be valuable info.

[beyondloadedSE]

i too would liek to know how you've managed to make all this power without an explosion of engine guts all over the place, like so many other CEG'ers have done. Seems like it would be valuable info.

I think the trans is the weak link. I mean, it is a stock Mondeo trans with an LSD correct?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/hahndojr/gears.jpg

[j99coug]

Link to post on old forums:
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=3L&Number=1278154&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Also found this on the old forums, amazing what searching yields. . .

Here is gotapex's quote from the last thread on this subject:

We use a custom forged aluminum piston from Wiseco which results in a compression ratio of about 8.5:1

The rods are Scat's 4340 forged H-beam with ARP 2000 bolts. (These are not the Q-Lite version)

Standard green top, 42 lb Ford Lightning injectors.

In terms of balancing and blueprinting:
Each crank is rebalanced to match the weight of the new forged rods and pistons. Each block is checked for deck height, main bore size, etc. Heads and cranks and inspected as well. Due to small variations in piston size, we measure each and every one in our climate controlled quality dept and then make very closely matched sets of six. After this, each block is honed to match the set of six pistons. We do this in order to maintain very tight control over the piston-to-bore clearance to reduce the possiblilty of piston slap from the increased clearance requirements of a forged piston.

Other items which are different:
1) The camshafts are a unique profile with increased lift and duration.
2) The block is specially machined to install piston squirters on each cylinder.
3) The accessory drive setup requires a non-stock front cover.
4) We use a special dual frequency damper for engine smoothness. This is not an underdrive or lightweight type change.
5) Lighter weight 19 lb flywheel (SVT flywheel)

[TGO]

I think the trans is the weak link. I mean, it is a stock Mondeo trans with an LSD correct?



yeah but i mean look at the power he's making and no motor troubles...as opposed to you (no offense) who just spun a bearing. or the guy who just posted his motor blown on 8 psi! or buckshot who's blown his motor on several occasions (if memory serves), burrita, an so on.

gotapex is making more power than any of them and the motor is fine, i just wanna know what's the secret to his success. the pwoer he's making seems untouchable to the mere mortals here without some sort of engine failure.


EDIT:

Link to post on old forums:
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=3L&Number=1278154&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Also found this on the old forums, amazing what searching yields. . .

shut up n00b!

[j99coug]

shut up n00b!

The guy asked for information on the motor, so how about no. I'm far from a noob to this platform, I've been on NECO for 3+ years now. :rolleyes:

To keep this on topic, I have wandered over to nobleforums.com before and there are always multiple threads about people shearing gears over there. Some on stock cars as well!

[beyondloadedSE]

yeah but i mean look at the power he's making and no motor troubles...as opposed to you (no offense) who just spun a bearing.

spinning a bearing has nothing to do with power levels. Even stock svts do that. Obviously, taking a 90K motor apart and putting it back together having never done it before can cause problems because a)Ive never done it before and b)Once you start tinkering, things are more likely to fail. I've had low oil pressure for the last 3-4 months. (i.e. about 1 psi of oil pressure at idle, ~3-5 psi at cruising once oil is warmed up) I knew it was only a matter of time before one went. I think it mainly has to do with tuning and the engine builders. AER does this stuff for a living.

[TGO]

The guy asked for information on the motor, so how about no. I'm far from a noob to this platform, I've been on NECO for 3+ years now. :rolleyes:


i appreciate you posting the info, it is your snide search nazi reply that i could have done without.


jim, i'm not talking only spinning bearings....just look at all the different types of failures that happen to people here looking to make lots of power. not only spun bearings.

i guess what i'm saying is it'd be nice to have a blueprint of what works and what doesn't, and i guess i have that now.

[Kremithefrog]

gotapex is making more power than any of them and the motor is fine, i just wanna know what's the secret to his success. the pwoer he's making seems untouchable to the mere mortals here without some sort of engine failure.
You do realize that these are not gotapex's dynos right? These are derek's car.
Gotapex, afaik, has not posted his power. I'm sure it's pretty good as he has some work done to his noble, but derek's noble is by far the baddest noble.
The reason why his car can hold together (well, it's not together now) is because he has the money for expensive parts with highly paid people putting it together.
I heard a story about derek. He was out of town and his M6 broke a rear upper control arm, no local dealer had it in stock so he bought another M6, had the dealer put the parts on his car, and told them he'd pick up the car he just bought later.

[TGO]

that's pretty gangsta

[Kremithefrog]

Yeah, I saw him run his mercedes at the drag strip. V8 compressor with nitrous running 10s. Brought it and I think maybe a buddy of his in an enclosed trailer. It was a double decker and the noble was on top. It was pulled by a RV (the one with contour headlights). Probably over a million dollars just riding around when he does that.

[JEDsContour]

Craziness indeed.

I bought a new noble 3L long block to make the occasional 400 HP without taking a big risk of engine damages. I'll push it hard on the dyno at least once.

All I need do is clone myself...

[gotapex]

This post makes me wish someone with some money would convert a contour to RWD or AWD already. I hate our drivetrain!!

Go win one and start experimenting.

http://www.winthenoble.com

[TGO]

Craziness indeed.

I bought a new noble 3L long block to make the occasional 400 HP without taking a big risk of engine damages. I'll push it hard on the dyno at least once.

All I need do is clone myself...

i was going to pm you and ask what's been going on wqith that project. is it running yet?

[JEDsContour]

No. Stored away. Anyone have deep pockets?

[TGO]

lol, well considering what you spent ont he motor i didn't think you'd make an expensive paperweight out of it!

[Y2KSVT]

To the people questioning Contours running 3L's, just remember that it's gotapex that came to a Contour board for ideas/advice. :laugh: Just messing with you gotapex! I always enjoy your updates, and look forward to hearing about your numbers!

Mark

[Tourige]

The Nobels used to use the mondeo transmission with an LSD.

Now they use some other transmission that isnt a piece of garbage.

[99 Silver SE]

Wow! Very nice numbers.